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ANNOUNCING OUR NEWEST LITTER ON THE GROUND FOR 2012 Click On Images to View larger Pix
SIRE: SIRIO V RAUHTAL
DAM: WENDY
Ok, ok, here are the pictures everyone has been asking for. While those of you who have already put down deposits have been receiving updated
photos on a regular basis, it seems there are many people afraid to even think of making a deposit on a well bred puppy, sight unseen. I've talked
to so many prospective purchasers all telling me how they have read this book or that one so they know which dog they should buy. Hogwash. That is
like asking 20 people to read a recipe and expecting them to have the same results after trying to bake a cake! I have taken the time to read
some of these books you are all talking about, and I'd swear they have plagiarized each other! Raising a puppy is like raising a child. common
sense helps, but buying a dog from a successful breeder is the best and only way to be assured of consistent quality in the puppies being
produced.
Success is measured in a number of ways, but being a winner is still the best criteria of measurement. When all is said and done, the bottom line
is still the final determination of whether a business will survive.Trust me, with the expenses involved, dog breeding is a business.
It still surprises me that most people still don't know where the withers or a stifle is on a dog. The standard for our breed has been written very
clearly. Yet over the years, some judges have chosen to ignore it and fads are allowed to proliferate. With the German SV judges, thank God,
they usually correct the breed within a few years if it begins to stray. Not so in this country unfortunately. However, one thing I wish to
correct before someone takes what I write out of context.
Historic fact: Max Emil Friedrich von Stephanitz (December 30, 1864 - 22 April 1936) was a German dog breeder who is credited with having
developed the German Shepherd Dog breed as it is currently known, set guidelines for the breed standard, and was the first president of the
Verein fur Deutsche Schaferhund (S.V.)
Now Max was no different than most visionaries of his day. I'm going to compare him to Henry Ford, the Wright brothers and Thomas Edison. Why?
Because I get tired of reading and hearing from the so called "pet and working dog breeders" stating that we should still be breeding dogs like
old Max did.
Hogwash! The modern Ford doesn't look a bit like the Model A or Model T. Yes, they still have an engine and four wheels, but there the similarity
ends. The Wright brothers airplane? Wow, compare it to modern passenger jet planes. Then there is all the creations from the fertile mind of
Edison .... phonographs, telephones, incandescent lighting. Are any of them the same? Yes and No. They still record, allow us to talk long distances
and florescent and LED lighting still lights up the darkness.
Yet these modern "working dog" breeders care little about the correct structure, dimensions, beauty and the 'type" or presence a dog is
supposed to radiate, in and out of the ring. Most only believe its supposed to be functional in its bite work (so-called K-9 or police work).
Keep in mind our breed was designed to be sheep herding dogs. The fact that they can do so many things so well says so much about their
functionality.
The fact that German show line dogs must first pass a SchH 1 title consisting of tracking, obedience and protection indicates that even the
weakest of show dogs must have brains and trainability to go along with their correctness in the show ring. That is the reason show ring ratings
were developed. Keep in mind a V rating is not an end all for a dog. There is a large difference between a V 25 and a V 75 ranking in the
Sieger show. There is also a difference between a dog receiving only an SG or G rating in the same class with V rated dogs. So many working dogs
can't even receive a Koer Klasse 1 rating (desired) and can only receive a KK 2( acceptable for breeding).
What then is the difference? Cost. Well bred "show line" dogs cost more. Why? Because Virginia, beauty is desirous in all things and costs more
because of it. Think about it, most shepherds live 10 - 12 years.
Why live with something ugly or that has compromised looks when you don't have to?
Cost. There is an old saying which so many "back yard breeders" think old timers like me have forgotten, "Money talks and BS walks". Look,
we all can love any dog, no matter what it costs. It costs just as much to feed a mongrel as it does a purebred. It costs just as much to worm
and give necessary shots to a mongrel as it does a purebred. The vets don't charge a higher price for one over the other. So please, don't try
to con someone into believing you have a good dog because you pitied it and may have saved its life by adopting it. You saved money, you paid an
adoption fee for a "Wal-Mart" quality dog instead of something that is of such class and beauty anyone would want it if they could afford it.
I have spent a lifetime (44 years) breeding and showing German Shepherds. I am proud to say we are one of the few American breeders that
successfully crossed over from breeding American and Canadian lines to German lines.
I've lost count, but we've owned or bred 11 American Shepherd Champions, 7 Canadian Champions and numerous V rated German dogs. Two of our German
imports became VA at WDA shows in this country. One of my favorites, Zamp v Steilen Ufer, was twice V rated at the German Sieger Show (2003 & 2004),
VA rated at the WDA show in Madison, Wisconsin(2004) and at 7 years of age was shown in Canada to become a Canadian Champion also (2007). In
fact, when shown at one of their All Breed shows. He attained a Group 2 title!
Bragging? Perhaps, but if your not purchasing a puppy from a winning breeder, then your purchasing from a losing one, or worse, a never having
tried breeder because they knew to begin with their dogs weren't good enough to compete and win with in the first place. Then there are those of you that have been "onned" from the newspaper and TV into
believing you should adopt someone's intentionally bred mongrel. How ridiculous! People who allow their pets to run loose and be bred to by anything else running loose should be shunned and fined. If its morally
wrong to allow our children to fornicate and get pregnant, it should no different with dogs. Now before you chastise me, THINK. HSUS wants you to
give them $19 a month to care for a dog. Next time you see how long their ad on TV runs in prime time, call up a TV station and see how much it
costs. Perhaps you should even ask them to show you how much money is in their bank account. Want to bet that they won't show you the middle
finger?
That said, take a look at these pups. Their rich pigments, curiosity, attitude. They are unafraid, almost bold in their approach to something
new. That's what I look for in a puppy, be it a pet or a show prospect.
At a time when most good breeders have abandoned breeding and selling dogs due to the recession, we instead chose
to import an already pregnant female from Germany. We accomplished two things by doing this. The first was to bring
in new blood lines which we haven't done since 2006. The puppies will have lines from both the mother and father
that we do not already carry. The sire, Sirio v Rauhtal has three times placed in the top 25 German Shepherds at
the German Sieger show in Germany. Click Here and Here for his images
We, unlike many American importers, don't always try to buy dogs from the more popular VA parents. Just check most
websites offering imports and you will see a most definite trend toward many breeders doing this. My opinion is
this will lead to more and more inbreeding of these lines in this country.
The GSDCA "owns" the WDA. The fact that the WDA website is listed as GSDCA-WDA and not WDA alone indicates
this control. Why is this of importance? Up until 1965, most American National Select 1(Grand Victor) winners were
German imports, after that two American bred and owned dogs became Select 1. One of these, became so popular, he
was bred and inbred so often, his pedigree dominated American GSDCA dogs for the next 25 years. That and a book
by Lloyd Bracket that many American breeders subscribed to as the "breeders bible". I will paraphrase
where he indicates to lock in a breed type one should "breed a female to her grandfather" to improve
the breed. Now Lloyd was apparently a wealthy man as he indicates in his book he had over 100 dogs in his kennel
to breed to. Back in 1911 when he started importing GSD's a mere 12 years after they were created as a breed in
Germany. His knowledge was based on his extensive breeding's. He admits this in his book. Problem is that many
who read his book did not have his breadth of understanding and knowledge of the breed at that time. The USA is
a big country and sending dogs across country to be bred was and still is quite expensive. Sending a dog out of
the USA to another country is even more so. There are several reasons why I added this to a simple ad. More and
more American breeders are buying into German imports. Their back ground and knowledge is what it is. Their beliefs
are in most part what they have been taught by their various mentors. Inbreeding and close line breeding are what
they have been taught. Put them in a given geographical region and that is where they will breed. If the majority
of the dogs imported into that area are already In/Line bred to the same sires, then the outcome of their litters
for sale will be just that.
I have long said,"American breeders" prefer dogs like "Baryshnikov", the ballerina, while the
Germans preferred a "Butkus", the line backer." Most GSDCA breeders will complain the German male
heads are too coarse and their movement not as elegant. I have also compared the American GSD to a "lowered"
rear driven 1950's type automobile. The German GSD a four wheel drive Jeep, power on any type terrain. Before I'm
offered loads of arguments, please keep in mind we have bred and or owned 11 American Champions, 7 Canadian Champions
(2 Select) and three German imports that placed in the top V40's at German Sieger shows over a period of three
years.
Breeding to a dog like Sirio is in keeping with that tradition. But it takes two parents to make offspring and
I wanted a female that would compliment the correct structure and pigment I like. Please keep in mind there are
just so many pregnant females from various countries in Europe at this time. Not everyone wants to sell their females
and one must be careful from whom and what country you buy your dog from. Then of course, there is the difference
between the value of the Euro and the US dollar. At the time we purchased Wendy the Euro was $1.40. That in itself
is a 40% premium! Then of course, the shipping costs were another $1,000! I can fly round trip to Frankfurt for
almost half that. No wonder fewer and fewer pregnant females are being imported.
While this picture will show Wendy's beautiful profile, her color is much better than this in person. Turns out
she's a great "watchdog" too. Though Wendy and her puppies sleep in the same room with me, let her hear
even the slightest noise outside my front door and she has a really nasty bark. Very protective mother. I've been
doing a lot of "repair work" around my house, and was using a nail gun. These guns, even though under
pressurized air, make a loud bang! I forgot I had let Wendy in the room with me and immediately after shooting
a nail into the wall she was barking and showing her teeth at me and the gun. Now Wendy is only a SchH1 and I didn't
necessarily expect this type of response from her. I told her to be quiet and shot another nail and she came running
up to me and reached out to bite the gun in my hand! I busted out laughing. Let her smell it etc. She wagged her
tail and accepted this new noise maker. I already know she likes the ball and jumps(even when she was still pregnant)
at a chamois cloth on the "buggy whip". Should be interesting to see what she'll do after the pups are
weaned! Click Here for an image of her
Quite elegant for a German female. Yes, she's quite pretty and to those novices asking, females of any breed are
rarely as brightly colored as their male counterparts. Lets just say that females are naturally more camouflaged
so that they and their puppies are not easily seen in a more natural environment than a whelping box. As always,
if you are interested, click on the "Contact
Us" menu button and fill out the form and email it to us. We
promise to get back to you within 24 hours.
Oh, these puppies will be too young for Christmas, so they can't be put under the tree to be trampled on and treated
like some toy. They won't be available to go home until January 13. Deposits are $1,000. Cash. No exceptions. All
dogs are sold with a 3 page sales contract. No, we do not require neutering and in fact are dead set against it
for multiple health reasons. If God wanted dogs to be born without ovaries and testicles, he'd have created them
without them.
ANNOUNCING OUR FIRST LITTER ON THE GROUND FOR 2011
SIRE: VIX V POLARKREIS
DAM: PHOENIX'S GIGI
AH, A REALLY GEORGEOUS LITTER IF I HAVE TO SAY SO MYSELF. I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF OUR PUPPY PURCHASERS THIS YEAR.
I'M ALWAYS PROUD TO SELL A SECOND DOG BACK TO A PREVIOUS OWNER. IT PROVES THEY WERE MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THEIR
FIRST DOG. THERE IS ONE FAMILY ON LONG ISLAND THAT
HAS OWNED 5 OF MY DOGS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS! HE HAS ALWAYS OWNED MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME. THIS YEAR, 70% OF OUR
DOG BUYERS HAVE OWNED PREVIOUS DOGS OF OURS. THATS A NEW RECORD FOR US. WE USUALLY SELL 35 - 40 % TO REPEAT BUYERS.
SADLY, WE HAVE ONLY ONE FEMALE LEFT. HER PICTURE IS
BELOW. SHE IS GORGEOUS, WITH A GREAT OUTGOING AND PLAYFUL TEMPERAMENT. NO, SHE'S NOT A LEFTOVER. ALL OF OUR DOGS
ARE PRICED DIFFERENTLY. RARELY ARE ANY PRICED THE SAME. IN FACT SHE PRICED MID RANGE. WE REQUIRE YOU PICK A PRICE
RANGE AHEAD OF TIME. IF YOU WANT A $3,000 QUALITY PUPPY, TRUST ME YOU WON'T WANT SOMETHING OF LESSER QUALITY...
NOR WILL I SHOW IT TO YOU. THE SAME IS TRUE IF YOU WANT A $2,000 OR $2,200 PUPPY. I WONT SHOW THE $3,000 PUPPY
TO YOU. LOOK, I'M A LICENSED JUDGE, I HAVE BOUGHT AND BRED DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONS IN 5 COUNTRIES NOW. FEW
BREEDERS CAN SAY THAT AND EVEN LESS OF THOSE BREEDERS HAVE MET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BECOME JUDGES. I KNOW THE
DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY, THE CORRECT ANGLE OF PASTERNS, A CORRECT CROUP, PROPER BALANCED MOVEMENT. IT IS WITH THESE
SKILLS(AND OTHER VARIABLES) THAT I PRICE MY PUPS. I WAS THE FIRST BREEDER ON LONG ISLAND TO EVER SHOW AND WIN A
VA TITLE ON MY DOG. IT WAS NO ACCIDENT, I DID IT AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR
WITH A SECOND AND DIFFERENT DOG UNDER A DIFFERENT JUDGE. I DIDN'T SHOW OR JUDGE ANY DOGS SINCE 2006 (UNTIL MAY
THRU JULY OF THIS YEAR) BECAUSE OF MY CANCER AND ITS FREQUENT TREATMENTS. FRANKLY, I'M STILL TO SICK TO RUN AROUND
A RING AND "DOUBLE HANDLE" MY DOGS. I TURNED OVER THE OWNERSHIP OF MY INCORPORATED COMPANY TO MY WIFE.
WHY? BECAUSE IF I DIE, ANY CONTRACT IS WORTHLESS WITH MY SIGNATURE UNLESS I'M
AN OFFICER OF HER COMPANY. ITS A MATTER OF HONOR. PATS 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN I AND AT THE MOMENT AND THANK GOD,
IS IN GOOD HEALTH. IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND THEN FILL OUT OUR "CONTACT US" PAGE YOU WILL SEE
THAT OUR PRICES RANGE FROM $2,000 - $3,000. WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS, SOMETIMES THE LESS EXPENSIVE DOGS SELL FIRST,
SOMETIMES, THEY ARE THE LAST TO GO.
THIS LITTER, TO MY SURPRISE DID NOT SELL AS FAST AS USUAL. THE ECONOMY REALLY SUCKS, SO MANY PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
AT LEAST THOSE PEOPLE THAT BUY FROM US HAVEN'T BEEN SUCKED INTO BELIEVING THAT BUYING PET STORE PUPPIES AND ADOPTING
DOGS IS SOMETHING GOOD. THEIR DESPICABLE ADS PREY ON HUMAN
EMOTIONS. THESE PEOPLE PROMOTE BAD AND IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDERS AT THE SAME TIME. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN MANY TIMES THAT
MOST OF THE DOGS ADOPTED FROM AGENCIES HERE IN NEW YORK WERE INTENTIONALLY SHIPPED IN FROM OUT OF TOWN, MANY TIMES
THESE DOGS ARE DISEASED RIDDEN HELD UP BY AIRPORT AUTHORITIESAT THEIR US DEBARKING POINTS AS HAPPENED WITH A GROUP
SHIPPED FROM PUERTO RICO TO MIAMI WITHIN THE PAST YEAR.
WHEN PURCHASING A DOG THAT WILL BECOME A NEW FAMILY MEMBER, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD THINK LIKE A BUSINESSMAN. AND TREAT
IT AS AN INVESTMENT. PRORATE ITS COST OVER A PERIOD OF 10 - 12YEARS. AFTER 44 YEARS OF BREEDING GERMAN SHEPHERDS
WE LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES, THEY ARE NO CHEAP SHORTCUTS TO SUCCESS. THE RESULTS USUALLY END UP IN A VETERINARIANS
OFFICE ON A REGULAR BASIS. WORSE, NOT ALL VETS ARE CREATED EQUAL IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND INSTINCTIVENESS FOR EFFECTIVE
MEDICATIONS WHEN SOMETHING DOES ARISE. WORSE, FEW VETS ARE BREEDERS(IN FACT MOST, IF PUSHED, WILL TELL YOU HOW
THEY HATE BREEDERS) OF DOGS AND THOSE DOGS THEY MOST OFTEN SEE ARE FROM POOR BREEDERS, PET STORES, OR HIGHLY INBRED
OR LINE BRED DOGS. I'VE ALWAYS FELT ECONOMICS WERE BEHIND SOME VETS FEELING THAT WAY. AFTER ALL IF THEY MAKE A
CRITICAL MISTAKE AND ACCIDENTLY KILL AN ADOPTED DOG, THEY CAN'T BE SUED FOR MUCH MORE THAN THE $100 THE OWNER PAID
FOR THE DOG. MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE ON A $3,000 DOG AND WELL THERE IS A BIT MORE LIABILITY. HOW MANY OF YOU REALIZE
THAT IF A DOG DIES WHILE BEING
NEUTERED, YOU CAN'T SUE YOUR VET AND WIN? YET THESE VETS PROMOTE NEUTERING BEFORE 6 MONTHS! PERHAPS ITS BEST WITH
MONGROL DOGS SO THEY CAN'T REPRODUCE, BUT NOT WITH WELL BRED PEDIGREED DOGS. NOT PICKING ON ALL VETS HERE, I'M
FORTUNATE WE HAVE A GOOD ONE AND RECOMMEND HIM TO ALL
OUR BUYERS.
EVEN TWO OF OUR LI COMPETITORS ADVERTISE OUR DOGS IN THEIR PEDIGREES. WE HAVEN'T BRED ANY OF OUR MALES OR BITCHES
TO ANY OTHER BREEDER HERE ON LI IN OVER 5 YEARS AS WE DON'T CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF MOST OF THE BITCHES IN THIS
AREA TO BE OF GERMAN SV LAST RING QUALITY. AFTER ALL, THREE OF OUR TOP BREEDING DOGS PLACED V40, V41 AND V48 RESPECTIVELY
AT THE GERMAN SIEGER SHOW. THAT MEANS THEY PASSED THE BITE WORK TEST! NO OTHER BREEDER ON LONG ISLAND CAN MAKE
THAT CLAIM! PERIOD. IF YOU LIKE THESE PUPS, GO BACK TO THE MENU IN THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER AND SELECT THE "CONTACT
US" PAGE. THERE YOU CAN FILL IN ALL THE BLANK AREAS AND EVEN SELECT YOUR OWN PRICE RANGE BEFORE WRITING US.
LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
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A few days ago I wrote about our first litter for the 2011 year. I didn't write about the potential of their genetic
background. Why? When we came into the breed, "Newbies" or beginners, had many successfulbreeders to
learn from and emulate. Long Island had a rich and varied group of breeders with at least three GSD Specialty clubs
(one of them had over 150 members in the 70's). There were at least seven all breed clubs, each having some"specialty"
shepherd members. Professional handlers abounded, within the proper circles, they were as well known as many major
league baseball and
professional football players are today.
Today, that is all gone, at least here on Long Island. There are no more specialty clubs and I doubt there are
even any all breed clubs that have German Shepherd breeders. There are many reasons this happened, but mostly because
of what I consider were incorrect ideologies as to how to breed a better shepherd. German Shepherds have always
been for the most part among the top five most popular AKC breeds. That in itself brought in the "quick buck"
breeders. Their motives and actions were always predictive, they bought several females from the cheapest litters
being advertised in the newspapers and
breed them at the first heat to any breeder with a male willing to take a puppy as payment for a stud fee! UGH!
Few buyers are unfortunately ever selective enough to study a given breedbefore they consider purchasing a dog.
They don't concern themselves with proper conformation, richness of color or the background of the parents genetics.
Worse, in today's society, people that allow their dogs to run loose in the streets and breed freely are no longer
shunned and treated as "scum" as they once were. Now advertising is slated to make people "feel
good" by "saving a mongrel dogs life from the needle" rather than have them buy a quality purebred.
Wish people in NY would wake up. Less than five percent
of the dogs in shelters come from Long Island or the five boroughs (unless they were previously adopted there).
They are shipped in from out of state or from Puerto Rico and Mexico. Here stray dogs running loose are turned
in by your neighbors and picked up immediately by dog catchers or killed by traffic. So when you "save"
some dogs life your really supporting someone irresponsible. Why not treat them like you would a human if they
allowed their daughters to do the same thing?
Worse, with the advent of "designer dogs" even the AKC is considering registering them and in all likelihood
will allow them to be shown at some future event. Hey, they make money "registering" these dogs. What
then about the "pet store dogs"? Lets be kind and say no one ever accused them of getting the pups they
sell from "top breeding" kennels. The number of expose's done in newspapers and on TV attests to that.
So am I saying you should only buy from a "purebred" breeder? Yes and No. ALL CLAIMED BREEDERS ARE NOT
CREATED EQUAL. After all, it doesn't take a lot of skill to "teach"a young horny male how to jump on
a female in heat. Well it does, if you don't want it to take all day ... but then that is a subject for another
time. Standards of quality differ from country to country and of the individual breeders within each.
If you look at the results of a German Sieger show, in the adult titled male class over two years old, there usually
are around 300 entries. Most likely less than 150 of those will get a V rating, only 10 a VA rating and one or
two an SG rating. Of course, some don't show up because they were either injured, out of coat or they failed their
bite work. However, the good part is all of them have been x-rayed to have a passing rating on their hips and elbows.
But the quality of a dog that places between V1 and V20 is far superior to those that places between V130 and V150.
Rarely are the best dogs sold here to the USA. Why? Price and the selection of dogs being offered. Even in the
top 60 dogs, those that remained still standing in the final class, the price may vary from $10,000 to $400,000
USD!
I bought my first German import in 2000. At that time the Euro didn't exist, Germany had the Deutschmark and its
value was about 50 cents. A 5,000 DM dog cost about $2,500 (the cost of my first dog, minus air travel, motels,
car rental and gasoline). Today a 5,000 Euro dog will cost $7,000! What the hell has America allowed to happen
to our economy? Its no wonder that most breeders stopped importing the best quality dogs. Everyone buying a dog
asks one thing .... how much, that is why we state in writing the cost of our dogs on the website? From the above
info, and trust me, its quite accurate and provable, what incentive should a breeder have to buy $20,000 dogs and
bitches if the average American buyer only wishes to pay for puppies from parents that cost less than $1,000 to
buy?
I'm reminded of an old Biblical expression, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". Perhaps
it time for a definition, Quality
(business) , the non-inferiority or superiority of something; Quality (philosophy) , an attribute or a property.
I have been asked in recent months, why don't I compromise, times are tough, people are out of work. True, but
I still see many people still driving quality cars and living in quality homes. For me, compromise may be referred
to as "capitulation" ,
referring to a "surrender" of objectives, principles,
or material, in the process of negotiating an agreement. In human relationships "compromise" is frequently
said to be an agreement that no party is happy with, this is because the parties involved often feel that they
either gave away too much or that they received too little. So until that time that I can no longer control my
decisions, I will try to remain true unto myself and hope that those who seek the dogs that I breed will know that
I have done my best. This litter, I now have for sale represents the pedigree of most of the quality dogs I have
imported over the past ten years. Two of the grandparents are my VA males Zamp and Bax on the mothers side and
by Vix on the Sire's
side. There are numerous VA placed German dogs from the German Sieger show, all within a four generation pedigree.
Pedigree is important. Dogs shown in the adult class at the German Sieger show are required to have not only "a"
rated hips and elbows, but a least a Sch H 1 title as well. The latter indicating the animal had passed their tracking,
obedience and bite work
protocols. While it is required that a dog not only "bite" on command, they must also "aus"
or release that bite on command. Vicious dogs are not permitted in breed.
If this is the background you seek on your dogs, then we are the breeder for you. Fill out the form on the "Contact Us"
page and we will make every effort to contact you within 24 hours. Please keep in mind, we sell all our dogs as
pets, not show dogs. I have no idea if your six week old puppy will grow up to be as nice as his father or mother
(anymore than you can with your children).
I do guarantee you a healthy dog at the time of sale and require you take it to your Vet to prove it. If they fail
their health exam, your Vet under NY state law, will fail the pups exam and fill out a form accordingly so as you
can return it for your money back or a replacement puppy if I have another in your price range. I can't guarantee
how you will feed, care for, or socialize my puppy. Like your children when you send them off healthy and happy
to school in the morning, can you guarantee they will come home the same way?
Once my pups have left our home to live in yours, we have lost all control of how they are cared for, just as lose
control over your children, once you deposit them on a school bus or drop them off yourself at school.
SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY, WE DON'T HAGGLE ON PRICES.
You expect more from a Phoenix Shepherd and you get it.
---and here is why:
If the breeder that your talking to about buying a dog doesn't
have 4 trophy walls that look like this, then why are you bothering to even discuss buying a dog or puppy from
them?" It's obvious that the breed quality of their dogs is less than that of ours. for if it was as good,
then they would have owned and or bred as many winning dogs as we have. Worse yet, what is the likelihood that they will
be able to direct you to the better dogs in any given litter. Please remember, any breeder should be proud of the fact that all their
breeding stock has been x-ray certified by either the OFA, or the SV. A true German import brought into this country
after the age of one will already have his SV hip rating. Any breeder interested in improving the breed competes
with their German dogs in either WDA or USA events. Those that belong, usually choose to first send in their dogs
x-rays to the OFA to get a preliminary reading and then, if given a passing rating, send them on to the SV for
confirmation and subsequently get their "a" stamp. This is why we continuously upgrade the hip information
on our breeding dogs on our home page, a matter of pride for any breeder and information any buyer needs when selecting
a puppy for purchase.
Total number medical complaints from 2000 - 2009 - 2% of total sales According to a letter addressed to me personally by the OFA foundation
regarding hip dysplasia, (available to all who come to purchase a dog from us) they wrote, "a dog breeder
cannot guarantee that a dog will not have such a problem since the transmission of genes cannot be determined at
the time of breeding. OFA analysis of several stud books indicate when the sire and dam have been screened for
hip dysplasia and are considered normal, there is still approximately a 9% chance that the progeny may develop
hip dysplasia ..." Do you realize that our sale statistics indicate we have only 1/9th the problems of the National average?
See, competition by a breeder does improve the breed and in the long run should save you and your family a lot
of grief. (Please note, be suspicious of any breeder that ever advertises that none of the pups they have sold
ever had a known case of dysplasia. Be it from working or show lines. Hip dysplasia is like arthritis in humans,
despite the millions spent on researching humans to eradicate the disease, it still exists. No where near the research
dollars is spent on dogs. Breeders that sell dogs without contracts really cannot prove their claims. Research
your buying a dog from your next breeder just as you would the next car you buy.) This is a good time to mention the news that Dori Evans and her 9
month old dog Reese, out of Vix and Red Red Wine, have been accepting into training for their SAR title. Reese
is only 9 months old! WOW! Great work Dori! York, owned by Trina Aschin, and on our testimonial page, was our first
Service Dog and perhaps its just a coincidence that a nephew of his was second. While I would have loved to had a more contrasting background for
him to CHECK BACK SOON
Testimonals from Satisfied Clients
Of even greater importance, some breeders like to advertise their dogs as being bigger than the standards set forth
by both the AKC and the SV. Bigger is rarely better when the statistics on the OFFA.org registry indicate that
most oversized dogs, of any breed, have a preponderance of bad hips. Here is a chart that closely identifies with
the AKC and German standards.
SIZE OF DOG AT WITHERS
DOGS60 to 65 cm. (23. -25.5 in)
SIZE OF DOG AT WITHERS
BITCHES55 to 60 cm. (21.7-23.6 in)
WEIGHT - DOGS
30 to 40 kg. (66 to 88 lbs)
WEIGHT - BITCHES
22 to 32 kg (48.6 to 70.6 lbs)
NOTE: Overweight dogs and humans usually develop joint problems
Any breeder bragging of dogs larger or heavier than these standards should be an obvious warning to a potential
buyer, particularly if bitches are advertised larger than the male standard. These standards are easily verifiable
should any serious buyer wish to confirm them with either the GSDCA or the SV organizations written standards
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This may be a good time to mention this. Dog breeders are not trained sales people. To them, the customer is not always right. If they ask you not to do certain things with their dogs while in their homes, be
polite, show respect and obey their wishes. We purchase better, more expensive dogs than most import shepherd breeders.
Please don't presume because you read something on another breeders web site its ok to assume other breeders feel
or act the same.
Another thing, unlike what I see written on other doggy web sites
from time to time, keep in mind most dog breeders sell dogs from their homes. We have insurance policies on our
home that state if one of our dogs bites anyone while on our property(other than puppies playfully chewing on your
hands and feet), the insurance company will drop our policy. The price of getting a new policy is far more than
the price of our most expensive puppy sale and therefore not worth the trouble. Therefore we take no risks that
we feel could be injurious to our way of doing business, no matter what the customer feels or believe or how cautious
they claim they will be. We have had this policy for almost 10 years now with few problems. That's why we have
a contact us page and a telephone follow up. Ask questions, we will answer them. No use you making a long trip
here from out of state and then be told after you get here, no we don't do that or you can't do that.
Of course, this is no different from any other place of business.
Next time you take your car in for a tune up at a major dealer, you'll find they won't allow you anywhere near
where the cars are being repaired. Outside of their show room, or waiting room, they don't want you anywhere else
that you might go and get injured.
Remember, our breed is the German Shepherd and we, like you, expect
them to guard our home and property. While they may be friendly in our living room, which happens to be our "show
room", beyond that point you could be exposing yourself to being bitten because they are supposed to protect
our property. Other than the use of our bathroom facilities, the only place we allow you on our property is our
show room ..... just like the car dealer!
This has gotten a bit longer than I intended, but there is only one point I have left to make, and its about that
"healthy" pup thing. No matter whose website you got to everyone wants you believe they have the best
and healthiest dogs. I read some really weird guarantees offered by some people on their dogs and its usually from
the same people who also advertise that they rarely or never breed more than one litter in a year. Now, I'm plagued
with a logical mind. So much so, I can never understand why other people don't think of asking the same questions
I do when I read ads.
Example: Breeder brags about giving you every health guarantee under the sun. Yet within two or three more statements
states they only breed that 1 litter per year. Now I ask you how in hell can they replace the puppy you just bought
with another if they are all sold out? Next year? Be damned if I'll wait a year for a replacement. I buy a TV set
and it don't work right, it goes back to the store the same day for replacement or I get my money back. Period.
Now these same breeders claim they never have any health problems. BS! Dogs are no different than people and if
kids can get sick with deadly diseases, so can dogs. Kinda of like one of those car ads I've been reading about
lately. Company bragging about their 10 year, 100,000 guarantee. I asked one man recently, when is the last time
you saw a 10 year old version of that car still running? He couldn't say! But then I'm an old timer and I can still
remember when the car joke was the word FORD meant, Fix Or Repair Daily!
To me, longevity means a lot. Heck, all things die without it, people, dogs, car dealers, BANKS! So I like to know
the statistics of what kind of health problems breeders have had over the years. Especially, hip and elbow dysplasia
problems.
You know how we always hear about how shepherds have bad rear legs etc. Well, I decided the other day to go back
through all our records (sales contracts) and count up all the ones we had put in a complaint book. We do this
whenever anyone calls us with a complaint regarding anything about a puppy we sold them. I mean, some of hem range
from, "My puppy keeps biting my hand, what should I do about it, to my dog has hip dysplasia". While
most of these complaints are easily reconciled, some are serious and we do try to understand the pain our clients
are feeling when they call. Many times that limping puppy, was no more than a slight sprain when the dog stepped
in a hole while running.
While we understand that statistics can be "juggled" to reflect almost anything a person wants, we base
our information on the total number of dogs sold versus the number of ANY complaints we get from clients. I asked
Pat to summarize all of our sales from the year 2000 through 2008 (nine years of sales).
I was elated, when the numbers were in. Please note every dog we sell is through a sales contract so all my figures
are provable. Since I consider us to be a small breeder as we only sell our dogs to retail buyers such as yourself,
these figures are even more meaningful.
Total number of hip/elbow complaints 2000 - 2009 - 1% of total sales
Yes, we do have dogs that get hip and elbow problems, but a damn site less than the national average. We agree
with the OFA that no one should be able to write a guarantee on a dogs hips (how presumptuous and misleading).
elbows or any other implied part of their body. Worse, some breeders claim to do it for 2 years! Ever ask what
happens if that breeder goes out of business, dies or gets divorced? How do you collect from a company that went
bankrupt and that's no longer breeding dogs. I wonder how many other breeders in this country would dare to be
as open with their records as we are? Keep this information in mind when it comes time to really get serious about
purchasing your next shepherd. Personally. I like the odds in my favor whenever I make monetary decisions when
purchasing anything. We hope that you will too.
highlight his beautiful colors, it is easy to see why our animals can
blend so well into Mother Natures natural surroundings
As breeders, we are so proud that some of our clients have chosen this route in training the pups we breed to service
perhaps those in dire need. It takes a special type person to do this. Dori brought this dog back for us to see
several times. At 12 weeks of age, I was marveling at how she already had him, sit, down and stay in my living
room.
Those of you that have tried training young dogs, know how difficult is is to accomplish this. The accomplishments
of "our dogs" is more up to the persistance and patience of their owners than it is of our insistance
on breeding proper blood lines together. Breeders, are responsible for the basic foundation of a dogs character,
but it is their new owner that is responsible for how the dog is raised. Its no different than parenting. A doctor
and nurse may help bring your baby into the world, but have nothing to do with its upbringing.
The social character of a dog depends on the exposure it receives from its owner. Our dogs, unlike their owner's
children, aren't forced by society to go to school. While I sometimes wish it were, I don't feel a dog breeder
can legislate responsibility, we can only offer advice and hope its heeded.
IT IS AMAZING HOW PURCHASING TASTES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. BUYERS USED TO CALL FOR OUT BEST FEMALES WITH
INTENTIONS OF BREEDING THEM TO EQUAL OR BETTER MALES AT SOME FUTURE DATE. UNFORTUNATELY, NOW THE MAJORITY OF OUR
CALLS FOR FEMALES IS FOR OUR CHEAPEST FEMALES. ANNOYINGLY (TO US AT LEAST) MANY ONLY WANT TO BREED THEM TO THEIR
LESSER QUALITY DOGS. WHEN THIS HAPPENS IT IS THE PUBLIC THAT EVENTUALLY PAYS FOR IT.
PEDIGREES ARE IMPORTANT, HIP AND ELBOW XRAYS ON THE PARENTS ARE IMPORTANT. SHOW WINS AND TROPHIES ARE IMPORTANT.
WHY? SIMPLE! PROVINGLY
BETTER PARENTS PRODUCE IN THE MAJORITY, BETTER HEALTHIER PUPPIES. PEOPLE
WHO DON'T BOTHER TO BUY AND BREED QUALITY ARE DOOMED TO MEDIOCRITY IN WHAT
THEY PRODUCE AND THEN PASS IT ON TO THE SOMETIMES IGNORANT PUBLIC.
THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY. IGNORANCE IS A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. STUPIDITY IS EITHER THE
REFUSAL TO LEARN FROM THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BREEDING SUPERIOR ANIMALS, OR WORSE, NOT CARING ENOUGH
TO EVEN TRY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MOTHER OF ONE OF THESE PUPS PLACED SG 18 IN THE
18-24 CLASS AT THE SIEGER SHOW IN GERMANY, THE OTHER V 40! BY THE WAY, THEIR
CLASSES HAD MORE ENTRIES THAN ONE WOULD FIND IN AN ENTIRE GERMAN SHEPHERD
SHOW IN THIS COUNTRY.
I REALLY GET FED UP WITH LISTENING TO THE BS PUT OUT BY THE SO CALLED
"WORKING DOG" BREEDERS. WORLD WIDE ACCEPTED WORKING TITLES, SCH AND IPO
1, 2 AND 3. THESE TITLES ARE INTENDED TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT A DOG IS
MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF DOING THE WORK A GSD IS SOMETIMES
CALLED ON TO DO. THOUGH ITS SHOULD, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW A DOG LOOKS OR IS PROPERLY CONFORMED IN STRUCTURE.
ALL "SHOW DOGS" PERFORMING AT SIEGER SHOWS OVER THE AGE OF TWO (WORKING
DOG CLASS) MUST HAVE WORKING TITLES AND A KOER KLASSE 1 ( KK 1) RATING, NOT
A KK 2 RATING. OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T BE BRED OR SHOWN IN GERMANY. MY POINT IS THAT SHOW LINE PARENTS ARE PROVABLY
SUPERIOR TO THEIR WORKING LINE COUNTER PARTS IN THAT THEY MUST COMPETE IN BOTH VENUES TO PROVE THEIR COMPETANCE
IN THE
BREED
THEY NEED THE SAME "WORKING" TITLES BUT ADDITIONALLY MUST MEET THE
STANDARD FOR HEIGHT, CORRECT WEIGHT, WITHERS, CROUP, AND FRONT AND REAR
ANGULATION. CONSIDER ONE MORE THING FOR A MOMENT, SHOW LINE ANIMALS ARE
REALLY JUST MORE BEAUTIFUL, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT WORKING AND PERFORMING.
WELL TRAINED WORKING DOGS ARE ONLY BEAUTIFUL WHEN PERFORMING TO THE
HIGHEST LEVEL. MANY ARE PLAIN, UNATTRACTIVE WHEN SEEN IN A NON WORKING
MODE.
I MARVEL AT THE EFFORT SOME OWNERS HAVE PUT INTO TRAINING THEIR WORKING DOGS, SO EFFICIENT. YET THEY ARE STILL
PLAIN LOOKING. MOST BREEDERS OF SHOW LINE DOGS, WILL NOT CONTINUALLY PUSH THEIR DOGS IN BITE WORK AS HARD AS THE
WORKING DOG PEOPLE. WHY? SIMPLE,A BROKEN TOOTH CAUSED BY A BAD HIT ON A SLEEVE COULD END A DOGS CAREER. WORKING
DOG OWNERS CARE LITTLE ABOUT SUCH THINGS. A BEAUTIFUL SHEPHERD, EVEN TO THOSE UNINITIATED TO THE BREED STANDARD
IS STILL BEAUTIFUL. NO MAKEUP OTHER THAN WHAT NATURE GAVE IT. BREEDING BEAUTY IS A LEARNED THING, HAVING IT IS
A BLESSING. WHO WAS IT THAT SAID,
"BEAUTY IS ITS OWN EXCUSE"?
Whether your a previous owner of a German Shepherd, or this is about to become your first , isn't it about time you bought a dog so beautiful and of such good quality, every time you walk your dog people will stop and ask, "Where did you buy such a beautiful animal?" We are proud to say we hear this response back from 90% of our owners. When you consider you'll own most Shepherds for 8-15 years and will see it everyday of your life, the words, "Beauty is its own excuse" becomes a more understandable phrase. Pamper your self just once and purchase a Phoenix Shepherd, you may pay a little more, but everyone deserves some quality in their lives. Start now with yours and scroll back to the top of this page and click on the "Contact Us" menu button, fill out the form and we will be in contact with you. Then take the time to click on the "My Forum" button and read the available information there.
Thank you for your patience and we look forward to answering your inquiries.
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