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My Forum About Links Studs Bitches Puppies Videos Contact Us Available Testimonials Adoption Announcements Did You Know Payment Method		LITTER PEDIGREES SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY, WE DON'T HAGGLE ON PRICES. You expect more from a Phoenix Shepherd and you get it. ---and here is why: If the breeder that your talking to about buying a dog doesn't have 4 trophy walls that look like this, then why are you bothering to even discuss buying a dog or puppy from them?" It's obvious that the breed quality of their dogs is less than that of ours. for if it was as good, then they would have owned and or bred as many winning dogs as we have. Worse yet, what is the likelihood that they will be able to direct you to the better dogs in any given litter. Please remember, any breeder should be proud of the fact that all their breeding stock has been x-ray certified by either the OFA, or the SV. A true German import brought into this country after the age of one will already have his SV hip rating. Any breeder interested in improving the breed competes with their German dogs in either WDA or USA events. Those that belong, usually choose to first send in their dogs x-rays to the OFA to get a preliminary reading and then, if given a passing rating, send them on to the SV for confirmation and subsequently get their "a" stamp. This is why we continuously upgrade the hip information on our breeding dogs on our home page, a matter of pride for any breeder and information any buyer needs when selecting a puppy for purchase. Of even greater importance, some breeders like to advertise their dogs as being bigger than the standards set forth by both the AKC and the SV. Bigger is rarely better when the statistics on the OFFA.org registry indicate that most oversized dogs, of any breed, have a preponderance of bad hips. Here is a chart that closely identifies with the AKC and German standards.     SIZE OF DOG AT WITHERS DOGS 60 to 65 cm. (23. -25.5 in) SIZE OF DOG AT WITHERS BITCHES 55 to 60 cm. (21.7-23.6 in) WEIGHT - DOGS 30 to 40 kg. (66 to 88 lbs) WEIGHT - BITCHES 22 to 32 kg (48.6 to 70.6 lbs) NOTE: Overweight dogs and humans usually develop joint problems Any breeder bragging of dogs larger or heavier than these standards should be an obvious warning to a potential buyer, particularly if bitches are advertised larger than the male standard. These standards are easily verifiable should any serious buyer wish to confirm them with either the GSDCA or the SV organizations written standards         CLICK ON IMAGES FOR A LARGER PICTURE Well, here we are with less than a week left in January 2009. So far, no miracles have happened. The recession is getting deeper and soon those idiots in Washington will have to admit to the word Depression. Hell, the DOW is down to 8,170, oil is down to 42.00 a barrel and we fortunately are still getting phone calls to buy dogs. Problem is, many dog buyers still think its Christmas time and they can buy a dog like it was a suit sale, BUY 1, GET TWO FREE! Damn people, if you really believe your gonna lose your job, don't get a dog. Dogs are like kids, they require daily love, attention, socialization and care if they are going to amount to anything. Dog breeders, believe it or not are a lot like car dealers. There are a lot of "low end" quality car dealers offering basic transportation and "high end" dealers like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, selling quality. Problem is, most people consider a dog ... well, a dog. They place so little value on it they don't consider how much a part of the family its become until they face a crisis. Sometimes, we take our kids for granted in the same way. We feed them clothe them, educate them, and then one day they develop a problem worse than a "common cold". When Pat and I had our first kid in 1968, the doctor charged us $600 to deliver it and the hospital bill was about $200. Hell, back then both our paychecks combined didn't amount to $137.50 a week! When Pat got pregnant, I had to get a higher paying job even though I was happy working where I was at. Our first dog cost $150. Doesn't seem like much, but it represented almost 3 paychecks at the time. Consider if you will how much your family would be paying for a dog if you bought a dog today costing 2 1/2 paychecks. It sure wouldn't be a dog costing under $1,500, would it? Gee, I hope not, all the more reason for you not to buy a dog if it does. Everything cost more these days. Here on Long Island, my puppy buyers tell me that by and large, the average veterinarian office visit is costing them between $200 - $300 just for the initial health checkup. Worse, they are charging them for medications for heart worms! Damn, most people know that heart worms are passed by the bite of a mosquito. No mosquitos found on Long Island between Nov. 15 and April 15 here. To damn cold! Why charge money for a service not needed 6 months a year? Of course, I find some of my clients are skipping these vet visits because they can't afford them. The other day a prospective buyer, after hearing my prices for dogs actually told me the following, "I only want to pay $300 for a dog, why should I go to a Vet that will charge me as much as I paying for the dog? If it gets sick, I'll just take it to the pound or put it down. After all, its just a dog!" Brrr. I got so angry I told him, "I'm glad you told me that, I wouldn't sell you a dog even if you had the money to buy one." Then I hung up on him. Another incident included a buyer that asked me why my dogs were so expensive. He had bought a dog from me in the mid 90's that just had died at the age of 14. He reminded me that I sold him the dog for $900. I joking laughed at him and asked him what he paid for a house or a car 14 years ago. I reminded him that I used to buy 50 lb bags of dog food for $20 that now cost $50. I told him that just the shipping cost of a German import can range from as little as $700 to as much as $1,800, which adds nothing to the value of the dog, but still is part of the overhead. My favorite retort from buyers is when they say things like, "I don't want a show dog, I just want a pet! Or, how come your pups from the same litter are priced differently, shouldn't they all be the same price? I wait for a moment, knowing what will come next. Because soon they say," I just want a healthy, happy puppy I can let my children play with!" Gotcha! Of course you do, all buyers should want the same things. That is why breeders should show their dogs. The German judges demand all dogs over the age of 12 months have their nerves tested by firing starting pistols in the ring close to the dogs in competition. Those that indicate any betraying signs of nervousness will be placed at the rear of the line or even dismissed. After all, you wouldn't want to find out your dog would run from loud noises in your home if he was expected to "protect" your family, would you? German showline dogs are expected to have at least a Sch1 title on their dog to have them shown in the "Gebrauchshundklasse", a class for titled dogs 2 years and older. For a dog to be even considered for a VA title (such as two of our dogs), they must have a Sch2 or higher title. Our dogs are exposed to crowds, other dogs and loud noises (people screaming for their dogs attention so they will pull on the leash) easily found at dog shows from the time they are three months old and can be shown in WDA shows. This assures you, the buyer, that all these German show breeders do test their dogs temperaments. That is why its so important that you see the trophies and ribbons breeders have on their walls and mantles. They are proof that these breeders have done this successfully. Those that bought German dogs and don't bother to compete with them, really aren't considered as worthy. To those people that question why our pups are priced differently, the answer is so logically simple and the examples are many. While the contents of an egg are the same, they are still sold and graded by size, small, medium and large. But that's not as good as my automobile example. Chevrolet sells many cars. They all have 4 wheels an engine and some kind of transmission. But there are major differences in the looks, ride and performance of say an Aveo that sells for $12,000, more middle of the road Impala, and that of a top of the line Corvette. Keep in mind, they all come from the same litter ... er brand Chevrolet and all carry the little bow tie emblem indicating the brand, Chevrolet. Dog breeders aren't much different. They have a brand name for all the dogs they sell and its on the contract you sign when you purchase their dog. Uh, some breeders sell dogs without a contract. I've often wondered about this. How does one prove they bought a dog from a given breeder with out some proof of the sale???? A contract is like a sales receipt except it has proof of the conditions set forth in the sale. As for happy and healthy puppies. Gosh, some truths are self evident. If the pups are playful and running, they are after all just like kids. Ever see a kid with a fever or a cold playing and having fun? Kids start to lay around sleeping or whining when they don't feel well. Pups are the same way. Kids that act shy with other people or are apprehensive of social interaction have problems, pups manifesting the same outward appearance have a problem also. If you see a puppy "poop" in your presence and its like liquid diarrhea, it may have just been wormed and is flushing its system, but it could have a more serious problem. Pass it up for another with a solid stool. Never reach out and grab at anyone's puppies when presented to you. Give them a few minutes and let them approach you. They should do so willingly within less than 5 minutes. Oh, this may be a good time to mention this. Dog breeders are not trained sales people. To them, the customer is not always right. If they ask you not to do certain things with their dogs while in their homes, be polite, show respect and obey their wishes. We purchase better, more expensive dogs than most import shepherd breeders. Please don't presume because you read something on another breeders web site its ok to assume other breeders feel or act the same. Another thing, unlike what I see written on other doggy web sites from time to time, keep in mind most dog breeders sell dogs from their homes. We have insurance policies on our home that state if one of our dogs bites anyone while on our property(other than puppies playfully chewing on your hands and feet), the insurance company will drop our policy. The price of getting a new policy is far more than the price of our most expensive puppy sale and therefore not worth the trouble. Therefore we take no risks that we feel could be injurious to our way of doing business, no matter what the customer feels or believe or how cautious they claim they will be. We have had this policy for almost 10 years now with few problems. That's why we have a contact us page and a telephone follow up. Ask questions, we will answer them. No use you making a long trip here from out of state and then be told after you get here, no we don't do that or you can't do that. Of course, this is no different from any other place of business. Next time you take your car in for a tune up at a major dealer, you'll find they won't allow you anywhere near where the cars are being repaired. Outside of their show room, or waiting room, they don't want you anywhere else that you might go and get injured. Remember, our breed is the German Shepherd and we, like you, expect them to guard our home and property. While they may be friendly in our living room, which happens to be our "show room", beyond that point you could be exposing yourself to being bitten because they are supposed to protect our property. Other than the use of our bathroom facilities, the only place we allow you on our property is our show room ..... just like the car dealer! This has gotten a bit longer than I intended, but there is only one point I have left to make, and its about that "healthy" pup thing. No matter whose website you got to everyone wants you believe they have the best and healthiest dogs. I read some really weird guarantees offered by some people on their dogs and its usually from the same people who also advertise that they rarely or never breed more than one litter in a year. Now, I'm plagued with a logical mind. So much so, I can never understand why other people don't think of asking the same questions I do when I read ads. Example: Breeder brags about giving you every health guarantee under the sun. Yet within two or three more statements states they only breed that 1 litter per year. Now I ask you how in hell can they replace the puppy you just bought with another if they are all sold out? Next year? Be damned if I'll wait a year for a replacement. I buy a TV set and it don't work right, it goes back to the store the same day for replacement or I get my money back. Period. Now these same breeders claim they never have any health problems. BS! Dogs are no different than people and if kids can get sick with deadly diseases, so can dogs. Kinda of like one of those car ads I've been reading about lately. Company bragging about their 10 year, 100,000 guarantee. I asked one man recently, when is the last time you saw a 10 year old version of that car still running? He couldn't say! But then I'm an old timer and I can still remember when the car joke was the word FORD meant, Fix Or Repair Daily! To me, longevity means a lot. Heck, all things die without it, people, dogs, car dealers, BANKS! So I like to know the statistics of what kind of health problems breeders have had over the years. Especially, hip and elbow dysplasia problems. You know how we always hear about how shepherds have bad rear legs etc. Well, I decided the other day to go back through all our records (sales contracts) and count up all the ones we had put in a complaint book. We do this whenever anyone calls us with a complaint regarding anything about a puppy we sold them. I mean, some of hem range from, "My puppy keeps biting my hand, what should I do about it, to my dog has hip dysplasia". While most of these complaints are easily reconciled, some are serious and we do try to understand the pain our clients are feeling when they call. Many times that limping puppy, was no more than a slight sprain when the dog stepped in a hole while running. While we understand that statistics can be "juggled" to reflect almost anything a person wants, we base our information on the total number of dogs sold versus the number of ANY complaints we get from clients. I asked Pat to summarize all of our sales from the year 2000 through 2008 (nine years of sales). I was elated, when the numbers were in. Please note every dog we sell is through a sales contract so all my figures are provable. Since I consider us to be a small breeder as we only sell our dogs to retail buyers such as yourself, these figures are even more meaningful. Total number medical complaints from 2000 - 2009 - 2% of total sales Total number of hip/elbow complaints 2000 - 2009 - 1% of total sales According to a letter addressed to me personally by the OFA foundation regarding hip dysplasia, (available to all who come to purchase a dog from us) they wrote, "a dog breeder cannot guarantee that a dog will not have such a problem since the transmission of genes cannot be determined at the time of breeding. OFA analysis of several stud books indicate when the sire and dam have been screened for hip dysplasia and are considered normal, there is still approximately a 9% chance that the progeny may develop hip dysplasia ..." Do you realize that our sale statistics indicate we have only 1/9th the problems of the National average? See, competition by a breeder does improve the breed and in the long run should save you and your family a lot of grief. (Please note, be suspicious of any breeder that ever advertises that none of the pups they have sold ever had a known case of dysplasia. Be it from working or show lines. Hip dysplasia is like arthritis in humans, despite the millions spent on researching humans to eradicate the disease, it still exists. No where near the research dollars is spent on dogs. Breeders that sell dogs without contracts really cannot prove their claims. Research your buying a dog from your next breeder just as you would the next car you buy.) Yes, we do have dogs that get hip and elbow problems, but a damn site less than the national average. We agree with the OFA that no one should be able to write a guarantee on a dogs hips (how presumptuous and misleading). elbows or any other implied part of their body. Worse, some breeders claim to do it for 2 years! Ever ask what happens if that breeder goes out of business, dies or gets divorced? How do you collect from a company that went bankrupt and that's no longer breeding dogs. I wonder how many other breeders in this country would dare to be as open with their records as we are? Keep this information in mind when it comes time to really get serious about purchasing your next shepherd. Personally. I like the odds in my favor whenever I make monetary decisions when purchasing anything. We hope that you will too. This is a good time to mention the news that Dori Evans and her 9 month old dog Reese, out of Vix and Red Red Wine, have been accepting into training for their SAR title. Reese is only 9 months old! WOW! Great work Dori! York, owned by Trina Aschin, and on our testimonial page, was our first Service Dog and perhaps its just a coincidence that a nephew of his was second. While I would have loved to had a more contrasting background for him to highlight his beautiful colors, it is easy to see why our animals can blend so well into Mother Natures natural surroundings As breeders, we are so proud that some of our clients have chosen this route in training the pups we breed to service perhaps those in dire need. It takes a special type person to do this. Dori brought this dog back for us to see several times. At 12 weeks of age, I was marveling at how she already had him, sit, down and stay in my living room. Those of you that have tried training young dogs, know how difficult is is to accomplish this. The accomplishments of "our dogs" is more up to the persistance and patience of their owners than it is of our insistance on breeding proper blood lines together. Breeders, are responsible for the basic foundation of a dogs character, but it is their new owner that is responsible for how the dog is raised. Its no different than parenting. A doctor and nurse may help bring your baby into the world, but have nothing to do with its upbringing. The social character of a dog depends on the exposure it receives from its owner. Our dogs, unlike their owner's children, aren't forced by society to go to school. While I sometimes wish it were, I don't feel a dog breeder can legislate responsibility, we can only offer advice and hope its heeded. VIX-GIGI LITTER Whelped Thanksgiving Day 11/26/09 Only 1 Male Still Available and 5 Females Look at the head on the pick male at only 9 weeks of age! He's already 21 lbs! The smallest female is already 16 lbs. The big female weighs 19 lbs. What a uniform litter. Then, there is the consistant beautiful red color. Talk about meeting the standard of the breed..... CLICK ON IMAGES FOR A LARGER PICTURE Testimonals from Satisfied Clients Whether your a previous owner of a German Shepherd, or this is about to become your first , isn't it about time you bought a dog so beautiful and of such good quality, every time you walk your dog people will stop and ask, "Where did you buy such a beautiful animal?" We are proud to say we hear this response back from 90% of our owners. When you consider you'll own most Shepherds for 8-15 years and will see it everyday of your life, the words, "Beauty is its own excuse" becomes a more understandable phrase. Pamper your self just once and purchase a Phoenix Shepherd, you may pay a little more, but everyone deserves some quality in their lives. Start now with yours and scroll back to the top of this page and click on the "Contact Us" menu button, fill out the form and we will be in contact with you. Then take the time to click on the "My Forum" button and read the available information there. 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